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By: Curiosity	Date: 04/10/2005 09:17:59	Points: 20	Status: Answered Quality : Excellent
I've been having these problems for a few weeks now. I was getting some help elsewhere but they don't seem to want to help any more, so... Anyway, the basic problem/issue(s): System locks up, bluescreens, video cuts out with system still running. Mainly occurs only when playing a particular game (Rising Force Online), but the video cutting out has now happened outside the game when trying to log into my system account. It has bluescreened in the past, also during play of a different game (Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory). One additional problem that has seemingly stopped (at least for now), was a "Windows - Delayed Write Failed" error message received post reset from a lock up or bluescreen. Ignore the Yen symbols, it's due to the system set up for this particular game. I initially sought help after a visual glitch occured, similar glitch occured during Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War on large skirmish maps, and the video finally cut out with the game (RFO) still running. It was suggested it was likely due to video card heat issues given the video cutting out. Suggested solution to upgrade the video card heatsink and fan. Done. Stock fan/heatsink swapped for a better one (a LOGISYS). Seemed to do the job, for a while, then it bluescreened on me. Bluescreens and lock ups continued after that. Video cut outs started again later on, but are still somewhat rare. Ambient heat inside the case may be an issue, but the bluescreens and lock ups have occured with the side panel off as well so that can't the main problem. I believe that's everything, more can likely be added/clarified if needed. The system: OS: WinXP Pro SP2, up to date CPU: Intel Pentium 4, 2.8 GHz w/HT Video Card: 256 MB ATI RADEON 9800 Pro (upgraded from included 9200 SE earlier this year), current drivers as of a couple weeks or so ago PSU (not entirely relevant): PC Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe installed earlier this year General: It's a Tiger/Systemax system. 1 fan in front bringing air in. 1 fan in back oddly bringing air in as well (I don't quite understand it as logic might dictate the fan blowing air out of the case, but since someone else built it...). Again, more can be added/clarified if needed.
By: VGR	Date: 04/10/2005 09:42:36		Type : Comment
My first guess is indeed linked to heat ! If your case if really built that way (two fans pushing air in), then it's a mistake in the build ! (I got the case). I suggest you reverse the top-back fan. Don't suppose because someone else mounted the fans, they are correctly mounted ;-) Also, I suppose that being a gamer, you survey your temperatures ? (CPU&case). What are they ? An other - difficult to spot but real - potential problem is with the "not entirely relevant PSU" ;-) It may be ageing a bit, or insufficient at once. I also got this case. I replaced almost every hardware piece before finding out that my PSU was weak and caused ALL the bluescreens, write errors etc. It's simple : the disks stop spinning... I lost a whole RAID array because of this... Because I erased it, re-installed, etc before simply changing the PSU :/ So tell me the voltage/ampérage of your PSU, if possible its age (I suppose it's the same as the whole machine), and the temperature you got when idling and when playing at 100% CPU and with which CPU fan & heatsink. I think I can help you ; may-be I will even save you some hair-pulling days of anxiety ;-) Regards

By: VGR	Date: 04/10/2005 09:47:28		Type : Comment
please note that I would suspect the video card only if all the rest is perfectly OK (capacity of the PSU, CPU&case temps) and also that opening the case helps a bit but also bring dust in, which in turn hampers the air from flowing through your heatsink, thus augmenting heat in stead of diminishing it :D Modern cases have filters everywhere and are not supposed to remain open ;-) I also got the case of a badly-chosen case, changed it (it's difficult because it depends on your motherboard size & disposition of its connectors, compared to the existing case's) and it really makes a difference. I bought a "cheap" Thermaltake Xaser III and am very happy with it Of course, it doesn't solve ALL the heating problems, but having 7 fans controlled by potentiomètres really helps ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 04/10/2005 11:16:38		Type : Comment
Don't suppose because someone else mounted the fans, they are correctly mounted ;-) Haha, right on. As I said, I thought that a bit odd myself when I realized it. I'll give reversing the fan a try. Actually I don't really consider myself a "gamer" per se, I mean I play games yes, but by no means would be considered a "hardcore gamer". So I actually don't monitor temps... :/ Although that is something I should really consider doing on the new system I'm getting. Also it's not ALL games that have problems, just a very few, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory was the first to have problems (actually the demo for it), Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War, and Rising Force Online. Rest I've played haven't had any problems, aside from software-related ones like Project: Snowblind had, but then a LOT of people had problems with that game. As for the PSU, the one I listed (the PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe, 510W) was a new PSU purchased, around the time I bought the video card (the 9800 Pro) because I knew the stock PSU wouldn't be good enough. It was just installed at a later time because of wiring issues. In fact I actually burned out the stock 300W PSU that originally came with my system mainly because of the video card. I had to take it some place to replace it out because of the wiring issues, and it took them nearly a week to do (at least I'm pretty sure it was done earlier this year). It should be a good PSU and should more than sufficient for my system. I was wrong on one count though, it was actually around June or July last year the vid card was originally installed (went back through order confirmations and went from there). Either way the PSU is only little over a year old, actual use considerably "younger" given the delay from purchase to install. The system itself is more like 2 1/2-3 years old I believe, but not entirely positive as I don't recall for sure. I guess I'm not sure what numbers you want for the PSU concerning voltage/ampérage. I've not changed anything about it, so they should be "stock" or default factory settings (http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=T51DX). Again, I don't actually monitor temperatures... My case doesn't have any filters. The system as a whole was originally a borderline "budget" multimedia system. They saddled the system with a 5400 RPM HDD after all... Granted, once I get the new system this one will no longer be used for heavy-duty gaming and will won't be exposed to the same kind of loads/usage. Therefore these problems will be considerably lessened since, with one exception (err two actually), they're all game related. I'm also not entirely sure how much money I want to put into this system for the same reason(s).

By: VGR	Date: 04/10/2005 14:29:42		Type : Comment
ok, the PSU is OK (34A@12V) and recent, so let's suppose it's in good shape. Left are the temperatures... I *bet* the system is overheating when you play "some games" (because not all induce the same CPU load/Video load), and *probably* because of the 9800 video card not being able to dissipate correctly heat due to : - insufficient airflow - wrong airflow As you understand, even if your video card has a nice heatsink & fan, if the hot air is sent to the case, *and* if you've only to opertures in the case with fans pushing in "fresh" air, where does hot air evacuate ? It's kind of a "closed" box... You probably have hot air sent out of the case via the PSU fan itself, but this is hardly enough. I would try this : a) monitor temperatures ; you probably have a provided software part to monitor the CPU & case temp. If not, install a digital probe/thermometer on the video card processor and the CPU. Record temperatures and ambient temperature when idling, and when gaming-crashing. b) Try now with open case and low ambient temperature (25°C max), and why not with some kind of hairbrush device (don't know the name in English, sorry) pushing ambient air to the CPU or the video card. Record temps again. c) drop the figures in here. I really think it's the case/casing fans the culprit.

By: Curiosity	Date: 04/10/2005 22:13:28		Type : Comment
I can try that. a) monitor temperatures ; you probably have a provided software part to monitor the CPU & case temp. If not, install a digital probe/thermometer on the video card processor and the CPU. Record temperatures and ambient temperature when idling, and when gaming-crashing. I'm not sure if there was any software provided to monitor that or not. I did notice a place in the BIOS that showed CPU temp when I disabled the onboard video. But I don't know how, or even if it's possible to access that from windows. Any suggestions for a digital probe/thermometer set up? Inexpensive would be good.

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 00:13:05		Type : Comment
ok. First the fact that your BIOS - as almost all of them nowadays - reports the temperatures of the CPU & Case (so-called "system" temp) is GOOD. It means ANY software can read that information and display it. I have the CoreCenter, there are also generic tools on Tucows, but I would recommend looking on your mobo's site on the web, there must be something somewhare (www.asus.com, www.abit.com.tw etc depending on your mobo brand) For example, I also googled things like "ASUS PC Probe 2.23.06 -" Then to look at the videocard tempertures is probably more difficult, unless it comes equipped with a BIOS extension which is similar to the PC's - apply above solution - In the other case,then yes, monitoring temperatures will require some thermometer. There are inexpensive ones, but difficule to find (probably thermocouple, thermistor, or the like). ALSO, your hard drive may be suffering from overheating (either per se, or from the overall case temperature, or from heat dissipated from nearby devices), so if you find a mobile probe (tlike the little ones provided with monitoring devices/front side fan controllers) don't forget to measure that too. It may happen that you're lucky enough to be able to use this site's software if your hard drive is on this list HTH

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 00:19:22		Type : Comment
the "little probles" I'm thinking about are visible here from this site in French Also, if I were you, I would contact NZXT on their site to know which of their product is this document related to, and if you can buy it. It is exactly what you need.

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 09:49:00		Type : Comment
It may happen that you're lucky enough to be able to use this site's software if your hard drive is on this list It seems I am lucky enough to have my harddrive (a SAMSUNG SV1204H) in that list. But I noticed that site seems to be a linux site, does that software work on Windows? (It's been an extremely long time since I've studied any french...) I checked my mobo's (Biostar P4TSV) site and didn't find anything that my mobo could use. Granted it is possible I just missed it, but I am looking into something that may do the job.

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 10:17:00		Type : Comment
I tried that little "Check your hard drive now" thing that was on that page with the list. According to that little HDD Temperature check thing my hard drive is apparently 137 C. Seems a bit on the warm side, ehh? And that's only from doing miscellaneous stuff, I can only imagine what it might be when playing RFO or something. And yeah if you know anything about my hard drive, it's 5400 RPM... :/ So it's very likely my drive is overheating, but I guess I don't really see what that would have to do with my problems, aside from adding heat to my case. But then again, I'm by no means any kind of expert or anything.

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 10:18:29		Type : Comment
For generic software that seems to work with Biostar mobos, I googled AIDA For the windows equivalent of the linux soft (sorry ;-), the referenced page displays this link and that link (untested) If you're skilled enough, you may also follow the indications (try to babelize ? Or use google translator) to get the linux soft working using cygwin In the meantime, try to find the best probing device you can get at an affordable price. Also, directly on the BIOSTAR site, I found tools to display in zindoze your "hardware monitor" data : WarpSpeeder or better yet Hardware monitor utilities (but your P4TSV isn't listed. May-be you could contact them to know which one will work for your mobo) If you've time, check here that you've the latest drivers, you never know ;-)) Regards

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 10:20:37		Type : Comment
about your hard drive. The errors you got ("failed to delay write something". It may be a sign the drive is dying from overheating... Even if - lucky guy ;-) - a 5400rpm does heat less than a 7200 rpm ;-) it's the case temp that damages your hard drive(s), not the reverse. Unless you've 4 of them sticked together and slowly melting down each other ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 10:39:16		Type : Comment
Hehe, back again, I think I'll go with these results instead of that little check. I think their thing may be a bit "skewed" in their favor to try get you to purchase their product. ;) After all, how could there possibly be a 100 degree difference? This is that "something that may do the job" I was referring to earlier. Only thing I'm a bit curious about now, is how to use it to monitor temps at times of bluescreens/lockups. Hmm, guess I'll have to check the program out more and see what all it can do.

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 10:49:05		Type : Comment
in fact, supposing this utility is accurate (I would also download the "ITE" version of the "hardware monitor tools" from Biostar site if I were you , just to double-check the figures ;-), it's ok : - I suppose you're idling now. 34°C for CPU is fine, 39°C for the HD is fine also, but notice the "ambient air" around the vidcard is measured at 47°C which is already 13°C over the CPU temp. - Now leave this tool open, play 30 minutes or so, pray that it doesn't crash, and then look at the figures again. Record them on paper and come back. - if possible, try to make the tool record on disk the temps, so that if the game crashed you've something to look at anyway... after rebooting :D Have you reversed the monitored case "chassis" fan ?

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 10:50:36		Type : Comment
just for memory. It is generally considered critical : - when the HD reaches 50°C - when the CPU reaches 60°C - for the GPU I don't know

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 18:35:51		Type : Comment
I got the ITE thing from the Biostar USA site as the link for it on the .tw site didn't work, they appear to be the same thing. I'm hoping that my P4TSV is close enough to one of the "officially supported" mobos for it to function correctly. It also appears that Everest is accurate: I looked around Everest but didn't see any way to have it log stuff at all, it may or may not be a feature of one of the pay version, I'm not sure. I'll manage somehow though. Heh, it's kinda funny, I popped the side panel off so I could reverse the fan in a bit (I'm assuming the monitored "chassis" fan is the one near the CPU?), but the GPU and GPU Ambient temps actually went up a bit. CPU and hard drive temps dipped a bit. Anyway, looks like it's going to be kind of a pain to reverse the fan, assuming it can just be turned around?

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 19:28:13		Type : Comment
the fan you "need" to reverse is called "chassis" fan because it is on the chassis. It's thus not the one over the CPU, but the one usually at the back of the PC, up or down. (usually up, as hot air rises ;-) it's suppose to EXTRACT hot air. Reversing it can be a pain, but sometimes it's just a matter of unscrewing, reversing, screwing back in place ;-)

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 19:29:31		Type : Comment
can you post a photograph of the inside of your PC, now that the side panel is off ? just wanna "check the [cable] mess" ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 19:30:04		Type : Comment
So I was obviously wrong about the fan being a pain. I failed to notice the screws were on the outside of the case... -__-;; Anyway, I may also have been wrong about the fan from the beginning anyway. There's definitely more noticeable air movement in the area in the case behind (or in front depending on what perspective you use) the fan, but I guess maybe using one's hand isn't a very good way to test things ehh? ;] But after I removed the fan, the arrows on it indicated it was indeed installed correctly. I'll likely put it back to the way it was before I changed it. And btw, I take it there's no way to go back and edit a previous post? Not to mention I should've checked the size of that last image a bit better. Sorry.

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 19:56:45		Type : Comment
about editing : not for users, not for the moment. But you can request it. don't worry about the size if the image, it's useful anyway. if you want to check the airflow direction, perhaps a feather or piece of cotton will help you decide which way is blowing the wind ;-) So now, I bet we've to wait until you "succeed" in playing/crashing with figures recorded. If your game RFO is launched through windows (not using a real mode DOS extender), then you may play a bit and switch back to windows to see what are the figures in the tool's window you would ahve left open on your desktop. Just do Alt-TAB once and it should be it. good luck ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 20:39:59		Type : Comment
Hmm, seems I somehow missed your posts before my last one. I did play RFO for about 20-25 mins, before it locked up on me. I checked temps as soon as everything was back up and running again, which actually did follow a scan because there were apparently some things that needed to be fixed. So there was probably a bit of a cool down. Numbers from that are: CPU 37C, GPU 53C GPU Ambient 54C, HDD 48C. Again, probably not the most accurate considering the reboot/scan, but it's a start. I will monitor temps more to get a better picture of them. I could take screen shots but that would require having more apps open and adding to the overall workload. Also yeah, that's the fan I meant, not the CPU fan. Which I've also put back to the way it was before, following arrow directions. I've decided to put my faith in the fan manufacturer knowing their own product. ;) Now as for the pic of the inside of my case, I can try, but the only camera I have available is the one on my cell phone which may not provide a very good pic. But I will try anyway. I mean it may be better than nothing, right?

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 21:03:41		Type : Comment
it's crystal clear : your video card is overheating, and has also a side heating effect on the hard drive ! GPU Ambient 54C, HDD 48C I looked then at your drive's specifications and found this : Samsung SV1204H 120GB 5400RPM ATA100 IDE Temperature Operating 5 ~ 55˚C Also, according to Tom's hardware, your drive should work fine *under heavy load* at around 36°C, not at 48°C... You've a heat dissipating problem, for sure ;-) If you've the photographs of your case, it would be useful. What I suggest as a quick, cheap and "dirty" solution : install an evacuator over the videocard's FGU (you know, that kind of trumpet that goes through the case's side panel and aspirate air) to evacuate the most heat as possible. Alternatively, try to review the arrangement of the cables in the machine so that the maximum fresh airflow goes to the videocard. Add BIG fans. Alternatively, proceed to the same goal, but by simply buying a new case :D take one with 7+ fans ;-))

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 21:30:48		Type : Comment
Pfft, ok that's the second time I've gotten that SQL error message when trying to submit my post... :/ Just too bad I lose what I had and have to reinput everything that I'd typed in before. So here it is again, more or less... It's not the greatest pic, but it's all I can do with what I've got available. Overall it's not too bad, mainly just a mass of unused leads stuck in the middle partially occupying the empty 5.25" bay. That mess at the bottom is actually "left over junk" from the old PSU. It's because of how they wired the light and front fan into the system. :/ It's also why I couldn't replace the PSU myself. The chartreuse band near the middle is something I added to keep a couple of wires (audio from the optical drives) away from the RAM. Leaving them there may not have been a huge deal, but I figured "why leave 'em there" you know? What I suggest as a quick, cheap and "dirty" solution : install an evacuator over the videocard's FGU (you know, that kind of trumpet that goes through the case's side panel and aspirate air) to evacuate the most heat as possible. That would require modding my case, correct? Which is something I don't think I'm up to yet. I am actually in the process of getting a new PC that will be much better overall, and especially for gaming, so I'm not sure how much extra I want to put into this one. Since after I get it, this one won't be used for heavy-duty gaming any more. Maybe just some lighter gaming that isn't so graphically intensive.

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 21:36:01		Type : Comment
other solution : downgrade the videocard... for one that is cooler...

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 21:36:50		Type : Comment
I forgot, that blue light is from the heatsink/fan (LOGISYS Computer CF206 60mm Ball Blue LED Light All-in-one VGA Cooling Kit) I installed a bit ago to help with video card heat issues. Which apparently may or may not be doing much good...

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 21:39:21		Type : Comment
is there a way of putting the hard drive farther away from the GPU ? and the videocard away from all the rest of the components ? BTW, which SQL error ? ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 21:40:38		Type : Comment
other solution : downgrade the videocard... for one that is cooler... Hehe, not really a viable option I'd like to go with currently as that would hamper game play. ;) But basically it's an overall heat issue, or heat dissipation issue. Something I may just have to live with for now until I get my new system.

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 21:43:08		Type : Comment
I could potentially move the HDD down one space, but thats it. And the video card, not since it's AGP. I don't remember what it said exactly, but it had something to do with some " in line 1 or something. Sorry. :/ If it happens again I'll capture it.

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 21:44:45		Type : Comment
solution of the poor : put the case in a cool place and play games in trench-coat with gauntlets ;-)) other solution of the same kind : open the side panel and direct a big external ventilator towards the GPU... I sadly think you've doe your best but there are no solution unless you upgrade the chassis/case. I hope I helped though :D

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 21:50:18		Type : Comment
FYI, that's the one I have :

By: Curiosity	Date: 05/10/2005 22:50:56		Type : Comment
Nice case, what is it exactly? It's apparently a ThermalTake though. Is it a full tower? Something else that occured to me, that may or may not help, I'm not entirely sure though, is a Slot Cooling fan. This one was suggested by someone else, Dynatron DB1206SP, here. It's relatively inexpensive so I could get it. If I did though it would require some modifications to what's in the case. Namely removing the modem (bottom card) which I don't use anyway, then moving the firewire ports down a slot, and then installing the slot cooler where the firewire card was (below the vga fan/heatsink). But like I said, it may or may not make any difference at all. And yes, you've been a great help. :)

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 23:40:25		Type : Comment
not a bad idea at all, *if* you can manage to put the GPU directly in front of the ventilator or else it will be useless ;-) I suggest a yogourt box tightened around the GPU to direct air directly to the extracting fan. It's a Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D - it's now less than 150 euros, so even less dollars ;-) I got fed up of burning my hard drives the one after the other because *someone* mounted them too close to each other in a BAD cheap case. It was the first and last time I didn't buy the case and components myself and assembled the whole ;-) small cases leave not enough space for more than 2 drives, a big CPU cooler, enough fans in front of the drives, USB in front, etc etc Moreover, the cables and "nappes" block the air from flowing. Now I use a "big" case with round cables and the less cables in the air way as possible. Moreover, it has a front panel lock, so the children can no longer reset the system :D

By: VGR	Date: 05/10/2005 23:42:04		Type : Comment
and I don't know if it's a full tower, but in my former "big tower" I could not put the 10 drives I can put in that one, and it is 10 cm less high :D

By: Curiosity	Date: 06/10/2005 09:31:29		Type : Comment
Ahh, not bad. Well, if I got it I think it'd be something like this. The slot cooler would be replacing A. A would be moving replacing B[b/], and B would be removed completely. Which would be as close as it could physically get with that arrangement. not a bad idea at all, *if* you can manage to put the GPU directly in front of the ventilator or else it will be useless ;-) I suggest a yogourt box tightened around the GPU to direct air directly to the extracting fan. I'm assuming you mean around the heatsink/fan, C? I guess "theoretically" C could be removed and the slot cooler could be put in the slot directly above A, and I suppose then I'd have to replace the stock vid card heatsink/fan. But I see doing that as taking a step backwards. Heh, although that would allow me to see the difference between the two heatsink/fan combos.

By: VGR	Date: 06/10/2005 10:36:39		Type : Comment
right. Do as you planned. The goal is to redirect externally as much hot air coming out of the video card as possible.

By: VGR	Date: 08/10/2005 21:42:40		Type : Comment
and if ever you don't intent to post more details, and found some comment useful, then assign the Answer and close the Question ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 09/10/2005 07:54:19		Type : Comment
Hehe, sorry, I should be getting the cooler on Tuesday (maybe Wednesday), 2nd Day UPS. I placed the order on Friday, but I couldn't really see paying 6x the item's price on shipping for Next day, granted I still paid nearly 3x the price for 2nd Day. ;] Although, I'm not sure if I'll actually be able to see how it turns out since the open beta for RFO ends on the 10th, and the servers are going down until the 18th when pay to play starts, and I'm not positive I'll be paying. The price is a bit high, but I'll see. Either way, I can still monitor some temps. Whether or not I post additional temps is kind of up to you. ;) At least I know it's (almost certainly) from heat issues, and it's something I may just have to live with as long as I use this pc for for "intense" gaming, depending on how effective the slot cooler is. then assign the Answer and close the Question ;-) Umm, and that would be done by clicking the "A"?

By: VGR	Date: 09/10/2005 08:49:29		Type : Comment
Accept or Split (you can split the answer by choosing multiple peoples' check box) the first row is the quality of the answer. Excellent (solution), good (leads to solution), fair (hints to solution)

By: Curiosity	Date: 09/10/2005 22:43:04		Type : Comment
Ahh, ok. Does it matter which Comment is used? And while no real "solution" was found per se, I did get some "insight" on the matter. So I guess I'd have to judge "overall helpfulness." Sorry if this is kinda dumb, but this is my first time using this type of forum/board. And btw, I've been wondering, is this "overlap" normal? I know it doesn't technically belong here but thought I may as well just tack it on anyway. Oh and about those SQL Errors I mentioned earlier. I've kinda been thinking about it and think it may have been related to my being "auto-logged out" or something, since I did have to relogin after reloading the site. Because as I recall both times I received it I'd gotten "distracted/preoccupied" in other tabs/windows and came back to this at some later point. But instead of giving some message about having been logged out, it gives an SQL error message instead. I'm not sure about it though, it's just kind of a theory.

By: Curiosity	Date: 10/10/2005 08:19:33		Type : Comment
I would've posted this earlier, but then I also would have been late for work. It turns out that the overlap is browser related. If it matters I'm currently using Netscape Browser 8.0.3.3. Anyway, depending on what engine (Firefox or IE) renders the page, there are some minor "oddities" in how the site is displayed. These are from when it displays like IE: And these from when it displays like Firefox: Not a big deal, I just found it interesting for some reason is all.

By: Curiosity	Date: 10/10/2005 08:22:10		Type : Comment
Hmm, odd, second Firefox image didn't display for some reason. It was supposed to be:

By: VGR	Date: 10/10/2005 17:05:59		Type : Answer
ok. 1) overlap of w3c css/HTML 4.01 and underlying links : normal (designed that way) 2) browser issues : sure. IE6 doesn't work with our clean CSS2 stylesheets. People please upgrade to FireFox 1.0.7 or wait 1 year that IE7 comes out (and plug and pray ! :D ) 3) error after you click anywhare after a long while not doing anything : true. The PHP session ahs expired (25 ùinutes standard time, if I'm not mistaken) so you get an error with an empty language code. There is no real way of preventing this except by moving you back to the home page after "automatic delogging". Something I clearly won't recommend. If you had "logged out" yourself, no error would have happened. So perhaps its time I think of a cleaner solution. 4) whan some text elements do overlap like in your last two images, it's mainly because of an unsufficient number of horizontal pixels. I recommend the site to be viewed in 1024 wide at a minimum. regards ;-)

By: Curiosity	Date: 15/10/2005 22:52:11		Type : Comment
Hmm, I've not been able to access the site for a while, otherwise I would've closed this like I planned to do last week. I'm not even totally sure how useful the slot cooler actually is, but ehh. I kind of figured it had to do with automatic delogging after I'd thought about it. Still, imo a little message saying such if trying to post or something after that timeframe would be nice instead of the error screen. Anyway, I've got other PC issues to deal with now. Thanks for all the help.

By: VGR	Date: 16/10/2005 07:51:59		Type : Comment
the last two days had the laccess cut by a line problem. Sorry. I live - temporarily - at 320 km from the server ;-) I'm happy you got some help from here and wish you good luck with heating issues (tip-of-the-day: relocate to Alaska :D ) best regards

By: Curiosity	Date: 16/10/2005 08:42:56		Type : Comment
Hehe, stuff happens, no big deal. Actually to be honest, I've really not been able to see how effective it may or may not be. Since the open beta for RFO closed I've not been able to play it, and I don't think I've currently got anything that would make my video card work as hard. Either way though, I'll live with however it turns out. Right now I'm actually a lot more pissed about my new system...

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